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.....and me. Just wish there was an official live cd from the early days, other than the very few tracks on 'Concert Classics'.
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Always loved that German humor. Come on guys, two seconds ...
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a singalong  hang on a minute, I'm just off to get my red shirt and pencil-thin black tie out of the wardrobe...
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Ok..all together now..
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Kraftwerk live in Helsinki Flow festival 13.8.2009. That's in Finland  .
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I saw them live in 1981 & 1991 in Manchester and it was an education, both those gigs, of course, they shipped over their entire studio, now it is 4 laptops, quite amazing how they have always been in front where technology is concerned. 6 years since last album, I seem to recall that they stated now that everything had been transferred over to digital format output would be much greater!!! What is sadly lacking is a compilation of all their singles now that would be a must for any electronic fan. Gary Hunter Myspace Music Page
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Originally posted by MemberD: Karl Bartos interview in The Quietus . Thanks for posting this.  Perfect timing, as I'm still reading Wolfgang Flür's account of the same period
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thanks also MemberD for posting the link nice interview, wish it were longer
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Yes I sort of had the feeling that it's 'cut off' or maybe 'to be continued..'.
Anyway interesting to learn a bit more about the early days.
Is this really the first journalist to have noticed the link between 'Autobahn' to 'TEE', or is Bartos being 'funny'? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by MemberD:
Is this really the first journalist to have noticed the link between 'Autobahn' to 'TEE', or is Bartos being 'funny'? :rolleyes: it certainly stuck out, and it say's he laughed, but it could have been the equivalent of dry humour...
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For all the anoraks out there, (me included), there is someone answering questions on Mastermind tonight (Friday). Specialist subject Kraftwerk.
BBC2, either 19:00 or 19:30.
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New interview in The Guardian today: link
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Thanks D. So the remasters WILL come! And a new album WILL come!
All in Kraftwerkian time ... :rolleyes:
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Reamsters? Did I hear the term Kraftwerk remasters??
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The sound on the original Kraftwerk cds are reasonable, but the volume is very low level. Wonder the likelyhood of extra tracks included??
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EXTRA tracks? Afraid not Newvox.  All in nice digipacks, and digitally upgraded. but no extra tracks. At least that's the last news I've heard from the project. Hope this will change of course ...
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Eight of the Kraftwerk albums were digitally remastered back in 2003. A special promotional box set (KLANGBOX001) was made available as a limited edition of 1000 copies worldwide. The set was entitled 12345678 : The Catalogue and contained...
Disc 01. Autobahn
Disc 02. Radio Activity
Disc 03. Trans-Europe Express
Disc 04. The Man Machine
Disc 05. Computer World
Disc 06. Techno Pop
Disc 07. The Mix
Disc 08. Tour De France Soundtracks
The album Electric Cafe (Disc 06) is here given its original title of Techno Pop. The discs all came in card sleeves featuring 'new' cover artwork.
I'm 'fairly' sure that non of the albums had any extra tracks - although I have a feeling that Computer World may have included Dentaku
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Who's got one (klangbox001)?
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Originally posted by Lody Herst: Who's got one (klangbox001)? Copies appear on eBay every once in a while - but they always go for large amounts. Rob
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Very interesting interview! A new album i will believe it when we see it!! As for 2003 Remastered promo's none of the albums included additional tracks which as Kraftwerk routinely spent every day in the studio working on music is quite amazing you would think there would be an endless supply of additional material!! Gary Gary Hunter\'s Official Music Homepage
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I think there will perhaps be hundreds GB's stored of sounds & music at the Kling Klang studio's. But I'm afraid we'll never get to hear it. I think it's, among other ideas, a Kraftwerk policy to keep the brand 'special'.
But the idea is still to bring out the remasters, or isn't it Rob?
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Originally posted by Lody Herst:
I think it's, among other ideas, a Kraftwerk policy to keep the brand 'special'. If that's the case they sold out a while ago...starting with The Mix "for studio testing purposes"...right Testing the max.capacity of their bank accounts is more appropriate here. Then they did that Expo 2000 thing, and that was it for me really. "Ich bin der Musikant ohne euro in der Hand"...probably not... But hey, we can't have enough of them euros right 
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Right Fons! And I'll be happy to spend them on a couple of Kraftwerk remasters! Greetz
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Originally posted by Lody Herst: EXTRA tracks?
Afraid not Newvox.
All in nice digipacks, and digitally upgraded. but no extra tracks.
At least that's the last news I've heard from the project.
Hope this will change of course ... Originally posted by Rob Harris:
Eight of the [b]Kraftwerk albums were digitally remastered back in 2003. A special promotional box set (KLANGBOX001) was made available as a limited edition of 1000 copies worldwide. The set was entitled 12345678 : The Catalogue and contained...
Disc 01. Autobahn
Disc 02. Radio Activity
Disc 03. Trans-Europe Express
Disc 04. The Man Machine
Disc 05. Computer World
Disc 06. Techno Pop
Disc 07. The Mix
Disc 08. Tour De France Soundtracks
The album Electric Cafe (Disc 06) is here given its original title of Techno Pop. The discs all came in card sleeves featuring 'new' cover artwork.
I'm 'fairly' sure that non of the albums had any extra tracks - although I have a feeling that Computer World may have included Dentaku
Rob [/b] Thanks for the info Lody, had no idea about the 2003 box set either.  Hope the 09 remasters are much improved on the original cds.
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Originally posted by MemberD: New interview in The Guardian today: link Cheers MemberD, that's made my week! ".... to be continued. ralf."  ACE!! This is so exciting...
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Originally posted by OurFriendAnalogue: Originally posted by MemberD: [b] New interview in The Guardian today: link
".... to be continued. ralf."
ACE!! This is so exciting... [/b]You're welcome .... I'm finding out that Twitter *does* have it's uses...
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I don't think this has been posted here; http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/interactive/2009/jun/12/paul-morley-kraftwerk It's a new column by Paul Morley - first one was about Kraftwerk and features interview with Little Boots and...wait for it....Ralf Hutter's poetry to the Doepfer A100 Analogue Modular System and an interpretation of Hall of Mirrors by Tuung
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That poem is quite technical sounding, aint it?
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Originally posted by maryann:
That poem is quite technical sounding, aint it? I found it very romantic Rumours of more 'stimulating' poetry that he's written about his custom-built Matten & Wiechersare analogue sequencers are completely unfounded Still, it's nowhere near as beautiful as this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv4CuIIspdE Who ever said computers can't sing? (more info: http://www.ausersmanual.com/data/)
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Indeed it is beautiful. Thanks for that link.
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The Boxset includes even the recent 'Tour De France Soundtracks'. Feels bit like "that was it, goodbye!" from Kraftwerk. Anyhow.. Kraftwerk live in Helsinki next thursday .
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Apologies if its been mentioned on this thread before, but just a few notes of interest about Der Katalog; Release date has moved again, its now coming out 5 October Electric Café has been renamed Techno-Pop (Its original name) Its on Mute Records, not EMI (although EMI own Mute these days) - so Mute now have the complete works of Can, Kraftwerk, Suicide, Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire - cool! The first three albums will appear in a separate collection after the release of Der Katalog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catalogue
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The recent performance at the velodrome in Manchester is reviewed here; http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entert...er-1734276.html Wished I'd gone now just to have seen the GB Olympic Cycling Team tearing round the velodrome whilst Kraftwerk performed Tour de France! Cool!
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no live cycling in helsinki but a great gig.
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I have "re-werked" the Kraftwerk-page on my Close Encounters Of The Third Kind gallery after last week's Krafwerk gig in Helsinki. It has now pictures of their each gig in Helsinki: 1991, 2004 and 2009. 1991: The Kraftwerk lineup was already the same as through '90s and '00s until Florian Schneider left quite recently. Stage set-up is very different from what it is now and you could see them actually play their elektrik instruments, even percussion. As far as I can remember 1991 photos are mostly taken by very tall guy called Arto Marjoniemi who was with us to see the mighty Kraftwerk play live. 2004: We sat so far away from stage that there were no point to take "on stage" pictures. I took "close encounters" pics instead. Ralf Hutter signed four CD-covers and an after party flyer but said "no pictures". We were nice/stupid enough and didn't take any pics of him. It was lucky that I met Florian Schneider before he left Kraftwerk. 2009: This was last thursday. I think here is some very nice pictures. My favourites are Schaufensterpuppen pics and especially the last one where Ralf Hutter is alone on stage and plays last notes of 'Musique Non-Stop'. For me as a Kraftwerk-fan since 1981 that last picture is enough to make me a bit sentimental.
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Originally posted by Mr Normall:
I have "re-werked" the Kraftwerk-page thanks for posting the link, great photos as usual Mr Normall.
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nice photos and you can see a glimpse of me on this photo (down left i'm the one wearing brown striped hoodie).
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psychocandy, we almost met the first time. Only few meters between us.
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The new cover of The Man Machine.  Is there something missing..? More here
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Not to be outdone, fellow electro-Krautrock pioneers Neu! also announce boxset .. news here
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Originally posted by Mr Normall:
Is there something missing..? The cynical amongst us could be led into thinking that Ralf Hutter is pursuing with some kind of bizarre, (almost cold war Soviet) mission to eradicate the images of previous (out of favour?) "party members". It does seem odd that the only sleeve art that retain any resemblance of Karl and Wolfgang are Computer World and "Techno Pop" which are wire frame CGI images. Conspiracy theory or could it be that Hutter simply doesn't want to pay to use their faces anymore? I must stop reading autobiographies of scorned ex-Kraftwerkians
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Conspiracy theory or could it be that Hutter simply doesn't want to pay to use their faces anymore?
That means there'll never be an official dvd release of all the old promo vids then By the way, there are 2 versions of the new re-mastered boxset available, the original german language version and the english version. I've pre-ordered the german version from german amazon. There is also a french version of Showroom Dummies, and Pocket Calculator.Wonder if they will re-surface? Also Tour De France (the original) was available in English,French and German. But will there ever be another studio album? They've done travel,technology, computers and cycling...
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There's also a Spanish version of "Sex Objekt" and Japanese "Dentaku".
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I've ordered the German box as well. I grew up in Germany in the '70s. For me, it was the original language versions that were played on the radio (good WDR 2) and the LP's I bought were likewise. Returning to the UK at the latter end of '79, it was a surprise to hear them singing the songs I knew so well in English and to discover they were hip with the emerging post-punk electronic scene! In retrospect, some of their songs work better for me in either one language or the other. I've become accustomed to "The Model" rather than "Das Modell" but to me Neonlicht and Die Roboter sound more "right" somehow. Perhaps they should have stuck to the Radioaktivitat formula of singing in BOTH languages and saved me a bit of money I think the inclusion of Les Mannequins and Mini-Calculateur would have been nice but on which box set? If there were to be a French, (or even Spanish) box planned, I'm afraid I wouldn't be tempted for just a couple of songs. Personally, I think it would have been less wasteful to include each album twice on each disc in German AND English, (better for the environment Ralf!!!). The old albums are vinyl length and two versions would easily fit the 80 minute maximum of a CD. Bern, are you sure there was an English version of the original Tour De France? I have my 1983 UK pressing here and the lyrics are French only. Hey ho...
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Just pre-ordered a set, having been torn all week between buying the English version, or the German one. What with all these other artists bringing out yet more re-issues and more new CDs in the pipeline financially I can only afford one version, and even thats going under the stairs till Xmas day! The idea of listening to the German version was appealing, and hearing the songs sung in the mother tongue would really have added a certain kind of ambience to the timelessly familiar music. But a few months ago during a family get-together a couple of Electric Café tracks were playing in the background of a mix I made, and a very much younger relative asked me what I was playing, adding that he thought it was Gary Numan! So possibly Ive been partly influenced in my decision to buy the English version box-set in order to more easily share the experience of Kraftwerk with any future generations that might pay me a visit.
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How many years were you living in germany Shaun? Ah actually I think you might be right about Tour De France, the main world release being in french. There is definately a german language version of it though. I agree they could have fitted the additional language variants on the same disc. Guess they never did a studio version of this polish version of Pocket calculator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMdYWsQvxUo oh and here's Mini-calculateur http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1k-Z-cg5ro&feature=related
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Ich blieb in Deutschland fur neun jahre Bern (1970-1979) Core Memory: Good post. The first two albums are the same in either box. Autobahn being solely in German and Radioaktivitat being German/English. It's personal preference but I think "wir sind die roboter" sounds better, especially the way Florian rolls the final R in roboterrrrrr. Just makes it more "mechanisch" and a little creepy... love it! There are tracks where the difference is only slight, especially where the lyrics are so minimal. Europa Endloss / Europe Endless sound much the same. Das Modell is interesting in that they got a waiter from their favourite restaurant to overdub the word "korrekt" but it always jumped out at me and sounded a bit out of context. Schaufensterpuppen is good too. I prefer that to Showroom Dummies but my favourite is Les Mannequins. There's something ever so slightly tongue in cheek about the French version and Karl's backing vocal is mixed a bit higher on that giving it even more comedic value. When it comes to Calculator, Taschenrechner is the one that scans best but I have to say that Dentaku for me is the definitive. I don't really speak Japanese but I just love the way it sounds... "bokuwa ongakuka dentaku katate ni". It's a great hook
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That "korrekt" always did sound a bit extra loud.Never knew is was a waiter they knew!
Other than "Baby Come Back" (as Electrik Music) have Kraftwerk ever done any covers?
Would they? could they? would it be too predictable or ?
Presumably these re-masters are going to be as good as they can be?
Dentaku is spot on and sounds natural.
so does:
kono botan oseba ongaku kanaderu.
Is there any word of them doing another album before the end of the Mayan calendar in 2012?
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Originally posted by Tokyohunter:
Presumably these re-masters are going to be as good as they can be? I guess we're just going to have to wait and see Bern. Computer World for instance is pretty ropey, there are audible tape drop-outs and bad edits all over the place, (particularly on Computer Love). If it's a straightforward remaster, then the faults will still be there as will any bad mixing. It will just be a bit louder and with a bit more top and bottom end. What I hope they've done, (and being Kraftwerk, it could be likely) is instead of going back to the two track masters, they've gone right back to the multi-tracks themselves and restored each instrument track individually and mixed it again using modern digital equipment. Technically this would be "remixing" but there should be no reason to alter the arrangements and make the tracks different, (which is what most people think of when they see "remix"). Instead, it would be relatively straightforward to dump the lot into pro tools and "re-create" the original sound balance again but with higher quality gear. Personally, I rather hope this is exactly what they have done because if I wanted to hear the old master tapes a bit louder, I'd just turn up my amp.
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[QUOTE Computer World for instance is pretty ropey, there are audible tape drop-outs and bad edits all over the place, (particularly on Computer Love)[/QUOTE]
Not sure I've heard those or if I have I might have thought them intentional glitches Any chance of some time cues so I can hunt em out
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Listening to both versions again carefully and at risk of sounding picky... On "Computer Love" the vocal is all over the shop, (drifting from left to right). This doesn't happen on the German version so I can't see why it would be intentional. What sounds like an audio drop out appears between 0:55 and 0:59 where all the top end disappears on the left channel for four seconds. There's a bit of a baggy edit at 3:54 On "Computerliebe" the vocal drift doesn't happen, it's nicely centred and stable. There's an odd bit at 7:18 (during the fade so you may need to listen closely) where the tape speed suddenly slides down a few percent (very odd). The English version fades before this happens. Nothing to really take away your enjoyment of a great song but from an engineers POV, these are things it would be difficult to ignore.
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They also did an Italian version of Pocket Calculator - Mini-Calcolatore for Italian TV in 81 youtube link , also performed live at concerts - but there's no official recording.
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Wow! The Italian version of Peter Powell
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Originally posted by Vox Humana: Wow! The Italian version of Peter Powell Ha HA! Jocelyn ..he was French actually .. so French presenter on Italian TV introduces German group .. love it!
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Kraftwerk cover stars in this month's MOJO I see:  "13-pages of exclusive Kraftwerk programming (including a star-studded guide to all their classic albums) " CD looks quite good too. I know the OMD contribution is Dazzle Ships (Parts II, III & VII). EDIT: fulltrack listing: THE MAN MACHINE - VARIOUS ELECTRONIC ARTISTS CD 15 trk CD compilation. Kraftwerk track never been released before 1. Kraftwerk The Robots (2009 digital remaster) 2. LCD Soundsystem 45:33 (Pilooski remix) 3. Ultravox Slow Motion 4. M83 We Own the Sky 5. Clark Growls Garden 6. Flying Lotus Roberta Flack (featuring Dolly) 7. OMD Dazzle Ships (Parts II, III &VII) 8. Tangerine Dream - Sequent C 9. Hot Chip with Robert Wyatt and Geese Were Looking for a Lot of Love 10. Fujiya & Miyagi Goosebumps 11. JeanMichel Jarre Oxygene Part IV 12. The Orb Outlands 13. Four Tet My Angel Rocks Back and Forth 14. Audion Mouth to Mouth 15. Komputer Like a Bird
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The Robots remaster does sound very good, certainly better than the similarish version on The Mix.
I'm guessing that the Mojo track is an edited remaster off The Mix.
As an aside in this months Uncut the remasters seem to get a slating.
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thanks for posting! Droll, and very slightly creepy, fantastic, I'm emailing that link straight away to a friend... but sadly, not a robot friend
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Ha! BTW I wouldn't want you all to overlook this, posted last night....
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New album in 2010? ...
"But my perspective now is forward for the next album"good time to capitalise on the momentum post the release of the Catalogue box-set he expects Kraftwerk to tour again once the album is completed and releasedyes, exciting times ahead
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Yeah, remember how long the last one took!
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well, have to admit that when he stated that the album was still in its 'embryonic stage' I was momentarily surprised by his certainty, perhaps Ralf is going to Clone half a dozen more little Hutters to help him complete Der Process...
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The Kraftwerk remasters are now seperated available (all 8) here.
Is that also the case elsewhere?
And if so, has anyone bought a copy already?
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I've just seen the reissues in HMV, looking very smart in their slipcases
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Originally posted by Lody Herst:
The Kraftwerk remasters are now seperated available (all 8) here.
Is that also the case elsewhere?
And if so, has anyone bought a copy already?
How is the sound quality and the artwork? I went and had a look at the Kraftwerk re-issues. As Alex says, they're nice looking - and most of the radical sleeve design is actually the slip-case. However, on the back sleeve the releases (Computer World for example) have the following text; İ 1981 Kling Klang Produkt Ralf Hutter / Florian Schneider Didn't they try this before? I may be wrong but I think certain ex-members took them through the courts for doing this previously.
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Unless there's been some agreement of some sort. I do like the logo thingy though I presume the CDs inside have the original artwork.
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Okay, I admit: I'm a bit of a freak when it comes to electronic music and Kraftwerk 'in besonderes' (but not as a boy I knew who owned 4 Man Machine LP's, one in English and one in Deutsch to 'consume', and one in English and one in Deutsch to store away).
I've just ordered Der Katalog (yes, the German one).
So far so good, but then I went into this shop where they sell all of the remasters. And there was only one (1) left: The Man Machine ,my favourite one ...
Well, I bought the damn thing.
I took it home.
That quality of paper.
Those pictures telling a story without words.
And the sound ... man ... just butter.
It's hot!
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Originally posted by Lody Herst:
I've just ordered [b]Der Katalog (yes, the German one).
[/b] Where did you order Der Katalog from? My first vinyl record ever was Die Mensch Maschine and I naturally still have got it. The Man Machine is on CD.
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Aloha Mr Normall!
I've pre-ordered 'Der Katalog' at bol.com.
That's a wellknown and reliable dutch internet company.
I noticed there that 'Catalogue' is 30 euro's cheaper
compared to 'Der Katalog'.
Don't know why.
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The only thing that is disappointing is they have n't included any additional tracks, they could have at least put the single edit versions of the album tracks and the odd remix here and there. Rumours of a new album as well ........... should be out in 2014!!! Gary Official gary Hunter Homepage
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I don't know, a remaster/reissue isn't obliged to automatically include bonus tracks. It's a reissue of the original album after all, but I guess the "bonus track" has become a trend.
I'm of the opinion that there probably isn't any Kraftwerk material in the archives to release, or that's worth releasing, probably just demoes or unfinished ideas, given their track record of output. They were hardly a b-sides band either!
I think the most interesting thing is the prospect of a new Kraftwerk album... although with only one original member left, are they still truly Kraftwerk...?
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Originally posted by Alex S:
... although with only one original member left, are they still truly Kraftwerk...? Oh, but of course!!! Kraftwerk have the opportunity right now to outlast every group there ever was. Their impersonal layout and history of replacements grants them an immortality beyond almost every other band. They can sail on into eternity, punching the robo-beats out to the stars, resounding throught the Universe long after all civilisation and consciousness has faded from it. A single omnipresent entity! The individual contributors come second to their unified sound.
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Not quite sure where to post this but OMD have announced that they and Simple Minds will both be performing Kraftwerk's Neon Lights together on their tour in Nov/Dec. source Both bands have previously issued cover versions of said track.
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Oh... well SM did make a rather bland cover version of it back in 2001.
I guess I'll find out in December!
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Yes and OMD's version had breathy girly vocals .. wonder how they'll manage that!!
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it's gonna be like a couple of people's middle-aged dads on karaoke!!
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Originally posted by MemberD:
OMD have announced that they and Simple Minds will both be performing Kraftwerk's Neon Lights together on their tour in Nov/Dec...
Both bands have previously issued cover versions of said track. :rolleyes: personally I prefer John's cover version of Neon Lights: Cities Of Light 5
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I haven't the cash to go buy the Kraftwerk remasters at the minute....
and to be honest, I feel it's a bit daft remastering something like "Tour de France soudtracks" when the excellent krautrock albums "Kraftwerk", "Kraftwerk 2" and "Ralf und Florian" have never even been issued on CD yet in the first place! (or the Kouhoutek comet single) (the bootleg CDs from the mid-1990s are just dubbed off the vinyl).
And I'm a bit non-plussed at Ralf Hütter taking Flür and Bartos' faces off the cover art of TEE and The Man-Machine! Flippin' cheek!
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Haha Rads! I've got the whole gig on mp3 lurking a dark corner somewhere!
It's dreadful!
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What the holy mother of...
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It's like watching the Kraftwerk Priests sketch in Father Ted...only it's real I'm still in shock.
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A homage to Kraftwerk. That's all. I like it
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Originally posted by RadioBeach: It's like watching the Kraftwerk Priests sketch in Father Ted...only it's real I'm still in shock. I'm watching this while at work so not able to listen to the audio, no offence to all Durranies out there as I know there are a few on the forum, but surely they've got their tongues firmly in their cheeks here, it almost looks like they're trying hard not to laugh. Sorry, but I just dont buy it that DD are such huge fans of the 'Werk that they feel the need for this. I'm still trying to quantify the fact that they once asked John & Louis to be support on their gigs... "Error Error!!!... That Does Not Compute Will Robinson..."
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Originally posted by Mr Normall:
Why so serious? I think you're mis-reading the banter! We're just poking fun at the Showroom Brummies Anyway if you look closely - LeBon is clearly taking it too seriously himself...whereas Roger Taylor is clearly aware of the whole situation and is trying very, very hard not to laugh!
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I can see why people would think this is both hilarious and, possibly, awful, but I think you have to look at it in context. This clip is taken from a slightly longer 'electro set' that the band played on all dates of the 'Red Carpet Massacre' tour throughout late 2007 through 2008. This was played post interval and was intended, in part, to give a nod to some of the influences the band were listening to around the time of their first album and that they'd revisited when making 'Red Carpet Massacre' in 2007, giving something new to DD audiences used to seeing a rock band only. It also meant that Roger Taylor didn't have to bash away on a drum kit at full tilt for over two and a half hours without rest.
The electro set list was: -
Showroom Dummies
Last Chance on the Stairway
All She Wants Is
Warm Leatherette
I Don't Want Your Love
Skin Trade
'Showroom Dummies' was dropped for the later parts of the tour, although why so I have no idea. It was interesting to watch, and I suspect intended as something 'fun'; it gave a different emphasis for the songs, and gave people the opportunity to see a couple of the band performing on instruments more associated with Nick Rhodes.
Hope this adds to the debate.
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I doubt many Durannies* got the joke ...
"'ere what they standing by vem computahs for?"
"well to make em look like bleedin' kraf-work innit?"
*no offence to Durannies intended
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I'm sure many Durannies* at the 'RCM' shows 'got the joke', given that many who attended probably grew up and got into music at the same time the band were releasing their first album.
*No unintentional sterotyping of Durannies intended.
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I agree with E. G. Ekin here 100%.
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Originally posted by E. G. Ekin:
I can see why people would think this is both hilarious and, possibly, awful, but I think you have to look at it in context. Thanks for the explanation, I thought for a moment that Duran had perhaps had some kind of collective late-career musical amnesia, and woke up trying to remember who they were, with Le Bon saying: Hang on, I think were a pop group, and John Taylor saying: No, were definitely power rock, power rock with ballads. Um, I think my names David something", says Nick Rhodes: "err, it's kind of unusual, begins with an S
. Classic power E'Lectro rock!, thats it, says Roger Taylor .
No wait a minute, says Le Bon, Look at this old timetable thingy Ive just found from behind this filing cabinet, I think it's for the German railway system or something. Thats us there on the cover, Im sure it is!. Hmm, Im still not sure, says Nick Rhodes, those guy's dont look like classic E'Lectro rockers, more like bank clerks, And, I think my name might just be David Smith..!" Actually, back onto the subject of Kraftwerk, (or indeed any artist you hold in high regard), what I find kind of infuriating are these sort of comments you see if you look through the YouTube pages this clip is posted on: Paulkiotobjj (11 months ago): "maybe they want to show their influences and show a bucnh of people what Kraftwerk is...after all they are the reason why some people know who Kraftwerk is"Velociraptor027 (11 months ago): "They are not the reason people know who Kraftwerk is. I'm sure plenty of folks know who they are and not because of Duran Duran. Coldplay has probably led to more people discovering Kraftwerk than Duran Duran."Im sure those two people above are undoubtedly a lot younger, and clearly more misinformed than us on here, but thats the sort of crap that has me doing a Colonel Kurtz and saying: The horror
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Nick played Neon Lights/TEE/Dummies etc.at the Bowie/Ferry/Roxy nights at The Runner.Oi wuz thair. Nick bought a Wasp. Just think of it as Nick showing the other lightweights what hard graft at a tiny synth was really like
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I've watched it again & have realised that it doesn't matter if they were serious or having a laugh. Their version is still crap. Matter of opinion of course, but I am right.
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Originally posted by Mr.Ilektrik: I've watched it again & have realised that it doesn't matter if they were serious or having a laugh. Their version is still crap.
Matter of opinion of course, but I am right. Hmmm. Of course, one man's crap is another man's creativity or interest. If you don't like it, that's fine and you are entitled to your opinion, whether you believe it to be right or if someone else thinks it to be wrong. However, saying it's 'crap' does belittle a creative process that's had thought, time and effort put into it to ultimately give people something different and that many enjoyed on the night and throughout the tour. It was meant as entertainment; it was entertaining. The sound, presentation and mood at the RCM concerts were far better than looking at an amateur film with relatively poor sound taken from one place in the audience on YouTube on a computer screen two years after the event took place. Matter of opinion of course, but I am right.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMU-3qb8Cjk a classic Duran number with the beat from the mighty 'werk's Numbers grafted on almost redeems the WTF of their Showroom Dummies performance almost... I do realise what LeBon is trying to do, but it still looks like a provincial Bingo announcer on a wet Thursday evening checking theres enough OAPs before he gets down to the serious business of announcing his balls. Wogan on Blankety Blank was another thought also. I 'fess up - I was a fan, a huge fan in what modern youth parlance is known as 'back in tha' day' - so I went to my fair share of DD gigs - this just doesn't work, in or out of context - they just look really, really uncomfortable. "All. She. Want. Is...Number 11!"
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Ha! Love the way the KW thread has become a DD discussion .. the road from Duesseldorf to Brum is oh so brief...
Don't forget next up it'll be OMD and Simple Minds doing Neon Lights together live, although I doubt they'll get McCluskey and Kerr to stand still for 4 or 5 minutes behind computer consoles...they'll be respectively windmilling and prancing around the stage probably crashing into each other in the process!
Looking forward to the handheld video-bootlegs on youtube already!
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Originally posted by E. G. Ekin: Originally posted by Mr.Ilektrik: [b] I've watched it again & have realised that it doesn't matter if they were serious or having a laugh. Their version is still crap. Matter of opinion of course, but I am right.
Matter of opinion of course, but I am right.
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Originally posted by MemberD:
Ha! Love the way the KW thread has become a DD discussion .. the road from Duesseldorf to Brum is oh so brief... hahahaha! Back on track - There's a nice picture of Der Katalog here; http://kraftwerk.technopop.com.br/news_recent.php Not sure if this is a promo copy version, or what will be released later this month.
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Der Katalog on Kling Klang - shop: Preis 89,90 . Perhaps a christmas gift for myself.
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Originally posted by Mr Normall:
Der Katalog on Kling Klang - shop: Preis 89,90 . Thats £80 in the UK, and its £17 more than I paid for the set release here Im still agonizing over getting the German box set. I took on board Vox Humanas helpful reply about the language differences in the lyrics throughout all of the albums, but theres at least 4 Id quite like to have in German, so this is when I start thinking maybe I may as well get the other box-set. Perhaps next year.
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My copy of Der Katalog arrived on Monday, (via amazon.de) and I was intending to say something about it but I think it's understandable that I just got into it and enjoyed it first My first impression was of the weight! It's very heavy. What you get is a standard 12inch album box that is an inch thick but the card used is practically industrial strength. Secondly, (having torn off the shrink wrap) is the smell, (smell the glove ). No... seriously! Pop the hood on this one and it smells like a new car. So much fresh print and new plastic (I happen to like that). Everything's packed to within a very narrow tolerance. Possibly a little too tight a fit. I found the books only just squeeze back into their separate inner box. The CD's (all miniature replica card album sleeves) fit snug (4 x 4) two albums per slot) are easy enough to prise from their high density white foam but the ones on the bottom can be a bit fiddly. I also found sliding the inner card sleeves for each CD out was initially a bit tight (I did worry I might bend them). Anyhow... by this stage, I'm furiously stroking my goatee (no that's not a sexual metaphor) My early reservation about the removal of Karl and Wolfgang from the front sleeves no longer applies. Now I have the box set, it all makes sense. When you open the album, all four original members are still represented and indeed in the superb 12 inch booklets that accompany each recording contain many images of the original line up as it should be. I now feel that the simplification of the album art was simply to make an minimalist statement rather than any "rewriting of history". The books contain no text, (I rather like that) just the original artwork concepts and alternate images. As for the all important music; someone else has written an extremely detailed blog which I largely agree with READ HERE . I do find his comments about the start ID's of certain tracks to be a bit pointless though. The recordings are still the same regardless of where the CD decides to plonk it's start point. I do feel that some of the noise reduction could have been handled a little better, (audio restoration being something I do for a living) but overall, it's not a big issue. The recordings do sound better for the clean up. The Man Machine (Die Mensch-Maschine) coming out best of all. I do disagree with the blogger about Techno Pop however. I think the mastering sounds much better than the original although the replacement of The Telephone Call (Der Telefon Anruf) with the A & B side single mixes was a mistake. The original 8 minute album mix was far better than these two. It should also be noted that the final album, (Tour De France) is not remastered. If you have this already you will have another duplicate I'm afraid. It makes complete sense of course, being so recent, there is no reason to change the sound on this. So what to do? Well I've ordered both box sets because I'm a Kraftwerk completist but for those less obsessive, I would recommend buying one box set and supplementing it with individual albums in the language of your choice. Remember, three of the albums will be identical as they are multi-lingual, (Autobahn, Radioaktivitat and Tour De France). Overall, a nice thing to have. There's no doubt this was designed specifically for the obsessive, (and jollies a'plenty is does deliver). The remasters are worth having but not essential. As has been said many times before, if the old CD's were a bit quiet, you can always turn them up, (and crank the bass a bit if you like). Some may enjoy the new noise free sound (very sterile, very Kraftwerk) but others like me may be loathe to sacrifice some of the ambience lost in the process and miss the old mains hum and crackle that truly vintage gear used to produce.
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Originally posted by Vox Humana: My copy of Der Katalog arrived on Monday, (via amazon.de) and I was intending to say something about it but I think it's understandable that I just got into it and enjoyed it first
As for the all important music; someone else has written an extremely detailed blog which I largely agree with READ HERE . I do find his comments about the start ID's of certain tracks to be a bit pointless though. The recordings are still the same regardless of where the CD decides to plonk it's start point.
I do feel that some of the noise reduction could have been handled a little better, (audio restoration being something I do for a living) but overall, it's not a big issue. The recordings do sound better for the clean up. The Man Machine (Die Mensch-Maschine) coming out best of all.
I do disagree with the blogger about Techno Pop however. I think the mastering sounds much better than the original although the replacement of The Telephone Call (Der Telefon Anruf) with the A & B side single mixes was a mistake. The original 8 minute album mix was far better than these two.
Many thanks for your review Shaun. The anti-remastering reviews for Der Katalog have been building up for some time now, so I'm still umming and ahhing about whether to get it or not - I really don't want to spend that amount on albums I already have, just to be bitterly disappointed by the remastering process.
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No probs Garry.
I think it's a safe bet that you would enjoy what they've done with The Man Machine and Autobahn. The clean-up on these is more or less transparent and vastly improves the overall sound. Trans-Europe Express is a pretty good, flawed in places but still good. Europe Endless is absolutely superb whereas Showroom Dummies is a bit flat.
Radioactivity will probably be the one most likely to disappoint (being just too heavy handed). There was always a lot of background noise on this album and its removal has been detrimental IMO.
Computer World isn't great. The flaws in the original master are still there and the bass has been slapped on with a trowel in places.
As for the rest, I think you can safely leave those...
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So Shaun,in summery,for the non Werk completists and who have most of the albums one way or another,you suggest only 3 are really worth getting?? Thanks for the advice mate,always great to hear your point of view
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Originally posted by Vox Humana:
As for the all important music; someone else has written an extremely detailed blog which I largely agree with READ HERE . An interesting blog, but I have to say that anyone who can write "The Mix was where they brought their music from the past into the present, reinventing their most popular tracks, revivifying them with a burst of energy The brilliance of this album is in its ability to give these classic tracks such an impressive new lease of life, while remaining true to everything at the heart of the originals" is clearly deeply insane lol The Mix was, is, and always will be, a bit crap.
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Originally posted by feline1: [QUOTE]The Mix was, is, and always will be, a bit crap. Agreed!
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Originally posted by Vox Humana: I think it's understandable that I just got into it and enjoyed it first Thanks for your great and thorough review, and if only I could get as much helpful knowledge about so many other things on life, (don't suppose you know how to DIY and easily and completely change all of a bathroom/kitchen tap fittings do you ) Seriously, you've also solved my should I or shouldn't I get another box set dilemma. I had already focused on getting TTE/Man Machine/Computer World/ and Techno Pop as individual German CD's and you've confirmed that as the obvious choice. I'm also in the frame of mind that The Mix is the one I could have done without in this set, and overall I'm very surprised by the packaging size and layout, somehow I was expecting something more 'compact', along the lines of John's Cinemascope box set, don't know where I got that impression from
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For me The Mix is a curate's egg. The highlight is the medium length 'Autobahn', which is excellent.
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Oh I *hate* autobahn on The Mix -
all the squelchy grainy phasey echoplexing of the original is replaced by a silly cartoon version.
The ones I quite like on The Mix are Pocket Calculator, Homecomputer and Musique Non Stop, which I felt worked pretty well given a harder, cleaner more modern production.
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Well spotted, although I remember a similar one on Radio 2 a year or two ago.
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Originally posted by feline1:
Oh I *hate* autobahn on The Mix -
all the squelchy grainy phasey echoplexing of the original is replaced by a silly cartoon version.
The ones I quite like on The Mix are Pocket Calculator, Homecomputer and Musique Non Stop, which I felt worked pretty well given a harder, cleaner more modern production. If I'm honest (big if) I'm not too keen on Autobahn full stop. I know it is an important development and all that ...
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the KW backlash starts here!
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Originally posted by MemberD:
the KW backlash starts here! Ha ha! No, it's just that one song really. No need to panic just yet.
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On BBC Radio 2 tonight (Saturday) at 22:00 - The Man Machine: The Story of Kraftwerk
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i recently got a copy of the box set (CD version) for £62 on Amazon. Pretty good for 8 CD's plus the extras I would say.
Firstly, upon playing, the CD's are mastered louder. Switching between the original version and the remaster you have to turn the volume knob a fair bit to get them the same.
Secondly, the remastering is very good. The tracks sound "tighter" and more detailed. Even on the more recent releases "The Mix" and "TdefF" these differences are easily heard. (Mind you I'm a fan of these CD's in the first place).
I agree with the comments that the bass has been "turned up" in some places as compared to the originals. I think Herr Hutter has gone for a more dance/club sound, the foot taps a bit more energetically for sure.
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Originally posted by nap-ster:
I agree with the comments that the bass has been "turned up" in some places as compared to the originals. I think Herr Hutter has gone for a more dance/club sound, the foot taps a bit more energetically for sure. That's why I think the remasters are disappointing. Too much bass all round. They should be clear, crisp, clean & pin-sharp, especially 'Computerworld'.
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Originally posted by Mr.Ilektrik: Originally posted by nap-ster:
[b]I agree with the comments that the bass has been "turned up" in some places as compared to the originals. I think Herr Hutter has gone for a more dance/club sound, the foot taps a bit more energetically for sure. That's the only one I can really find fault with. I've neglected Techno-Pop, Man Machine and most of the others at present because I've fallen head over heels in love with Radio-Activity again, which I feel has benefitted from the clean-up operation - Autobahn also.
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Originally posted by RadioBeach: Originally posted by Mr.Ilektrik: [b] Originally posted by nap-ster:
[b]I agree with the comments that the bass has been "turned up" in some places as compared to the originals. I think Herr Hutter has gone for a more dance/club sound, the foot taps a bit more energetically for sure. That's why I think the remasters are disappointing. Too much bass all round. They should be clear, crisp, clean & pin-sharp, especially 'Computerworld'. [/b] I listened to the original masters to see what ones I would replace with the remasters. So I went for 'Computerworld' & 'TMM' as the original masters of 'Autobahn', 'Radioactivity', & 'TEE' sounded great to my ears, so there was no need to fork out more lolly than was necessary. I think the remastering for 'Computerworld' & 'TMM' must have been done with cotton wool in Ralf & Co's lug 'oles. Someone should have given them a copy of 'Metamatic' remaster as a guide. Then they would have got it right. Shame on you Garry for falling out of love with 'Radioactivity' in the first place.
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some Friday fun..blatantly nicked form THL forum (thankyou kwDave).. Worst Kraftwerk gig ever: 
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Originally posted by MemberD:
Worst Kraftwerk gig ever Damn, I knew there was something lacking in the audio when I watched this, just glad I didn't pay to go see.
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Originally posted by MemberD: some Friday fun..blatantly nicked form THL forum (thankyou kwDave)..
Worst Kraftwerk gig ever:
Shoulda heard them do 'Showroom Dummies'!!! ...well...it was better than Duran Duran's!!!
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Originally posted by MemberD:
some Friday fun..blatantly nicked form THL forum (thankyou kwDave)..
Somebody calls themselves "Kraftwerk Dave"!?? Fantastic!!! I want a name like that! MetaGaz Gazmatic Tiny Colour Garry's The Gazza Section In Mysterious Gaz Gaz and Burn Shifting Gazza
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Originally posted by MemberD: some Friday fun..blatantly nicked form THL forum (thankyou kwDave)..
Worst Kraftwerk gig ever:
Brilliant!!
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Originally posted by Alex S:
ROFLMAO!!
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Tour de France is currently being used by Sky to advertise Champions League games
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Originally posted by RadioBeach:
Tour de France is currently being used by Sky to advertise Champions League games Well that makes sense. :rolleyes:
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For archive snippets, sparks of electroflesh and news about this website follow me on Twitter @foxxmetamatic
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Blimey... Kraftwerk announce residency at New York's MomaGerman electronic music pioneers will play eight of their classic albums at New York's Museum of Modern ArtKraftwerk are to cement their position as art-pop pioneers by revisiting their back catalogue at the Museum of Modern Art in New York. The Düsseldorf four-piece will play eight of their classic albums over eight nights at Moma, performing their best-loved music alongside projected 3D imagery. They begin with 1974's Autobahn on 10 April and finish a week later, with 2003's Tour de France Soundtracks. Even their greatest hits collection, The Mix, will be performed. The intention, according to Moma, is to "coalesce" Kraftwerk's oeuvre into a single "work of art", bringing together "melodic music and ambient sound, elaborate stage sets, live performance and performance by robots, their trademark videos and logo-like still imagery". All their music will be specially adapted for what Moma is billing as an exhibition, entitled Kraftwerk Retrospective 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/feb/16/kraftwerk-residency-new-york-moma(with thanks to Member D)
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Don't thank me . .thank BIG MOMA!
It's all over the net now anyway. The Daily Mail will be doing a feature next.
I liked MoMA, even though I made the most of their free Friday afternoon opening which is fine but you're too knackered to appreciate it after walking round NY all day.
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Blimey...
German electronic music pioneers will play eight of their classic albums at New York's Museum of Modern Art
...over eight nights at Moma, performing their best-loved music alongside projected 3D imagery Fksake, I want to go! I shall now be buying a Lotto ticket this Saturday.
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Some footgae of Kraftwerk at werk in Miami last Friday: http://youtu.be/WEG5Ziu-st0.. see also related vids
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Blimey! Who would ever imagine that!
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Been following the day by day diary of MoMA concerts on Rolling Stone as written by Mike Rubin. Some interesting observations made .. http://www.rollingstone.com/contributor/mike-rubinplus the YouTube thing is full of videos, and it seems that some of the songs have been given slightly different treatment.
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I'll bet the shows have been great - looking and sounding fantastic from what I've sen so far.
Although I'm having a problem accepting Kraftwerk without Florian... Ralf had better not leave!
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message from a certain Ms. Anne Measles on facebok: I'm a Radio 4 journalist currently working on a programme about Ralf Hutter. I am looking for people who know/knew him personally and could tell us interesting stories about him. It's quite urgent as the programme is going out this Saturday. I'd be grateful if you could call me on 020 8752 5411 or drop me a line at anna.meisel@bbc.co.uk. Thank you ..wish I *could* help Ms. Measles.. I couldn't see anything about the upcoming programme on Radio 4 site but oddly I did find this interview/feature from 2003: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/frontrow/ram/2003/frontrow20030804_kraftwerk.ram
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Blimey! Who would ever imagine that! I felt a deja-vu to the early eighties, waiting for Technopop to pop out. Several times it was announced to be here "next month" - and years later came out Electric cafe. I am very interested if something comes out, but a big part of Kraftwerk sound walked away with Karl Bartos.
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"Goodbye To Nuclear Power"... I last week visited Finnish nukepower plant, and must say, that now that Soviet Union is history - you still have F**land. We are building biggest nukepower plant on Earth 
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Kraftwerk. 45 RPM.It all sounds a bit like a quick cash-in than an actual exhibition, anyway here's the blurb; The Vinyl Factory and The Mott Collection have announced a new exhibition, Kraftwerk. 45 RPM.
Taking place at The Vinyl Factory Chelsea gallery on September 13 through to October 5, with a private few on September 12, its comprised of 45 iconic 7 Kraftwerk single covers showcasing the bands unique aesthetic an analogue past dreaming of todays digital present.
Says The Vinyl Factory: During the mid-70s, Germanys Kraftwerk established the sonic blueprint followed by an extraordinary number of artists in the decades to come. From the British new romantic movement to hip-hop to techno, the groups self-described robot pop hypnotically minimal, obliquely rhythmic music performed solely via electronic means resonates in virtually every new development to impact the contemporary pop scene of the late-20th century, and as pioneers of the electronic music form, their enduring influence cannot be overstated.
Always ahead of the curve, Kraftwerk acknowledged that urban life was alienating yet celebrated the joys of modern technology. Their wistful melodies of contemporary reality were ironic but also a prediction of times to come. Now, as we sit and play with our iPhones, sharing picture messages, we are living in Kraftwerks Pocket Calculator.
The collection of 45 7″ singles will be for sale from the gallery, and The Vinyl Factory has also created a commemorative book, available in a limited edition of 300 copies. This catalogue documents 45 Kraftwerk singles from The Mott Collection, and includes an essay and an exclusive 7 single of a rare Kraftwerk interview.http://www.factmag.com/2012/08/15/the-vinyl-factory-announces-kraftwerk-45rpm-exhibition-abd-book/
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..read soem not very nice things about that . .yes, a cash-in, especially as some of the covers on display are pretty rough quality (apparently) ..
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It's funny that we grew up with the vinyl format and now it's simultaneously being looked at as a fascinating relic from the past fit for gallery walls and the like, and also becoming widely distributed and available once again.
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Click, click, droneIn an extensive new interview with David Buckley for his book Kraftwerk : Publikation, John Foxx goes on a bit about electronic music, Stockhausen, Dad's Army and all things German Fabulous piece. Full transcript here: http://www.david-buckley.com/news.htmlThere's also a chance to win David's new book, in a proper competition... Which I did!!! Can you believe it?? Buckley has just been in touch to advise that Mr Karl Bartos selected my entry as second best overall in the competition to describe Kraftwerk in 8 words: Radiodelic trans-neon disko art music, or 'sonic tailoring'So, thanks to John Foxx for the inspiration. Seems we can write in similar ways Happy Christmas to me :-D
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well done Martin, and neat that someone from the forum was successful
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Yay! Fantastic News! I saw the book in Rough Trade East a few weeks ago - just from a skim, it looks pretty definitive to me!
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£60 für AtomKraft!? Neine Danke!
In other news - is anyone going to see what passes for Kraftwerk these days at the Tate?
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Even though it's essentially a few blokes with laptops and impressive visuals, it just doesn't quite feel like true Kraftwerk without Florian. It's Ralf and a few balding blokes.
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Yep.
I get the feeling what passes for Kraftwerk these days have now entered 'O2' territory. Normally reserved for what passes for The Rolling stones and the echo of The Who. It won't be long before we remember fondly when it was only £60 to see them live.
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uh-oh... http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/dec/20/kraftwerk-win-landmark-sampling-caseI really hope they don't win. I understand the need to be paid for work that belongs to you, (ask ESG) but the idea that a time-limit can be set; that's just a massive no-no for me. If this had happened twenty odd years ago, you'd never of heard any of the following albums for a start: Endtroducing..., Paul's Boutique, 3ft High And Rising, Blue Lines, Dummy etc
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I'm with Alex, can't really regard them as Kraftwerk these days, however, imagine if it was the classic quartet reformed to do these concerts, wow!
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Last edited by Karwin; 01/07/13 08:19 AM. Reason: 42
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Well, if any of you were disappointed missing them at the Tate, they'll be in Japan on May 8-16 doing the same gigs. Tickets don't seem to have been sold out yet, and another batch get released on March 2 for sale at around same price as UK. Surprisingly UNexpensive for Japan. I'm torn, as it is probably largely pre-recorded, and not exactly a group anymore! Nevertheless, I put myself into the lottery for the standing area tickets for the Computer World gig, and will go with the idea that I'm not going to a gig, but an "audio-visual experience" and then pray to heaven that there is a good sound rig. The 3D stuff seems to have gone down well, and I hear generally hear positive reviews.
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Yesterday I saw a mail announcing the "general" sale of the concert tickets so I knew I had got passed the lottery stage - indeed today the mail came to say I had been "chosen" to stand at the Kraftwerk gig - and privileged am I to be standing anywhere near the remnants of that group!
But the big news is, there are still tickets available, so if you want to see them, this is your chance!!!
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