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#32402 02/28/09 02:10 PM
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Why didn't John give these tracks "Cathedral Oceans" type titles? Why has he disguised them with Urban titles? :rolleyes:
But a fair few of the tracks in the Cathedral Oceans series have urban titles - Fog Structures, Spiral Overture, Serene Velocity - while a number of others aren't overtly 'religious', instead they have titles which are very Foxxian - Through Summer Rooms, Shimmer Symmetry, Invisible Architecture.

Maybe John felt that he'd said everything he wanted to say as far as Cathedral Oceans was concerned.

I don't suppose it really matters - the main thing is that we now have another album of material to listen to, and (going by the comments made so far) everyone's enjoying it. laugh

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You're absolutely right there - a new JF album of new (kind of) songs.

I agree with you Peter and as I had previously said, this feels more like an album to accompany "The Church".

So I stand by my opinion of the imagery not matching the album - it doesn't work from that point of view, but musically it is magnificent. And it's certainly better than if it had been "Cathedral Oceans 4" or some kind of "Cathedral Oceans demos". It's a lot darker than the CO albums though, bearing the closest similarity in parts to COIII - but to be honest, I think I might like this album more than COII or III.

It has been repurposed in a way that makes it a new album of previously unreleased material from the vaults. Like you say Peter, I wonder what else resides in there! Maybe one day we'll get Urban Motets with new artwork! wink

Although I've been up and down with this album since I got it, it is fair to say that a lot of the music has really made an impression on me - most of all "Imperfect Hymn", "Holywell Lane" and "Barbican Brakhage". Simply beautiful. Very moving.

I really loved the sound of those early CO pieces on the grubby old Shrewsbury recording, so I'm thrilled to bits to have them in properly recorded studio quality.

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I don't suppose it really matters - the main thing is that we now have another album of material to listen to, and (going by the comments made so far) everyone's enjoying it. laugh

Rob
Absolutely. From the tracks I've heard on mySpace all I can say is that these pieces are amazing.

My Lost City appears to be the fifth John Foxx album of the 80s (well 75% of the original CO album that Virgin turned away).

Rob would you also consider Electrofear an album conceived in the 80s or does it belong to the 90s?

Chris wink

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I can't feel cities in the music but I sense wide open spaces.

Hi Peter, funny that you can sense wide open spaces, for me my first impression was of dense claustrophobia. As the city changes and evolves and towers brightly around him, I can feel The Quiet Man trying to evoke a simpler time (earlier or later), underground, in the dark. In that sense, the imagery works perfectly for me, the man in a pool of light (as detailed on the back cover), going to work at night and disappearing from view wondering what will come next and what is next to be replaced. Although it feels like pre-Cathedral Oceans, I would describe it almost as the anti-Pleasures of Electricity.

But that was just my first impression. More listens to follow of course.

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Although it feels like pre-Cathedral Oceans, I would describe it almost as the anti-Pleasures of Electricity.
That's a very interesting analysis, and I have to agree. I've listened to this album a lot since getting it, and having got past my initial music/imagery hurdle, I've discovered a very dark and album indeed, that is quite claustrophobic in places.

I think because I have associated that particular image with The Pleasures of Electricity and Urban Motets for so long, I expected it to be more electronic and less vocal, with the kind of 'city' feel that TPOE, Shifting City and even Tiny Colour Movies gives you, when it is actually quite the opposite.

So while I still don't feel cities in the music, I do find it a very organic and textured album. It really is like the 'dark side' of Cathedral Oceans. No birdsong, so morning sunlight. Just darkness, wet stonework, brittle woodwork and that kind of damp, cool air you get when you peer down a well, through a crack in a wall or long empty railway tunnel.

The music makes me think of all sort of thing, and forgotten rooms riddled with overgrown plantlife. There are some open spaces in the album though, particularly on tracks like Barbican Brakhage; those vast echoes remind me of that feeling of smallness when you look up at the ceiling of a grand cathedral.

There is a sense of isolation or solitude in some of the music too. "Holywell Lane" reminds me of walking empty streets at night in the Autumn, when the ground is covered with soft fallen leaves.

It's almost like you have to burrow through that modern city on the cover to get to what it was built on. There's a great sense of nostalgia, with a hint of sadness.

Does this make sense, or have I lost the plot?! laugh

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I think we are all making sense but also getting different ideas from it.

The back cover picture is a close up of the front cover (bottom left under the bridge).

Its one of John's most literal covers,a man (probably in a grey suit) lost & dwarfed by the city around him.

Brilliant cover.

So its no surprise that some of the music sounds claustrophic with the new City closing in amongst his Lost City.

Remember that the area around Shoreditch & the Garden has largely been redeveloped since he was inspired to make this music in the early 80s

The skyline now looks more like the cover with the gerkin & other tall buildings in the background.

Now I dont know if I'm making sense laugh

#32408 03/02/09 06:37 PM
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I'm glad that photo doesn't feature the gherkin! Actually, I think it's more like a giant suppository...

#32409 03/03/09 05:45 PM
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Got my copy today and after a first listen it is......


GREAT!!! smile

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Just got my copy, too, and am currently listening to it. Too early to comment on the album as a whole, but so far, so good.

#32411 03/03/09 09:28 PM
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I had mine on saturday as well, only played the first 2 tracks.
Tried it again last night but after a day of working outside I made it till the 3rd track this time ( fell asleep :p )
Going to give it another go tonight laugh

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