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#19027 10/12/10 06:11 PM
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Yeah, that's right. True on both counts!

I think he also talked about that when he was on Who Do You Think You Are last year.

#19028 10/13/10 07:28 AM
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Can't remember .. he was on Woman's Hour I think Tuesday or Wednesday last.

#19029 12/27/10 02:14 PM
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Doctor Who Christmas Special: A Christmas Carol, by Steven Moffat.

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I think this episode sums up both the best and worst of where the show is now at, and it’s the one story for me that’s done more than any other to hammer home just how unnecessarily over-blown the show has become, and perhaps it is in danger of upsetting the delicate nature and workings of the programme, one that when its got the spark it has legs and can run, but one that now often seems to be just running around on the direction to losing the plot.

When is Doctor Who not Doctor Who? - Is an argument that I still feel is probably irrelevant to a show that should be allowed to explore new ground, but every fantasy needs to stick to some frame of logic otherwise it will stretch and strain out of shape. Sure we might get a wonderfully bizarre and unexpected creation, but we might just as likely get a horrendous abomination, and with ‘A Christmas Carol’ I think we had both. It sure did feel like everything that Christmas can be all at once - unusual, a little bit mysterious, exciting, wondrous, but also tedious, tiresome, overdone, disappointing, and banal.

If this episode had been a fantastically illustrated storybook instead of a crammed everything-but-the-kitchen-sink TV programme then what a treasure it would surely be, with amazing images that thankfully peppered the rubbish of the rest of the show - the Doctor falling from out of the chimney, the shark swimming around in the bedroom and pulling the carriage through the sky, the tower with the power-source shooting its beam up into the cloudy night sky above as the little fish swam around the gas-lamps in the steampunk streets, the woman’s frozen face seen through the glass in the ice-casket and her singing to the wounded shark.

So many magical and nostalgic Christmassy references were hinted at in the plot – Raymond Briggs Snowman and flying through the night sky in an unlikely manner, Mary Poppins and the comedy Chimney sweeps, the enchantment of the Snow-Queen, the Singing Ringing Tree with the woman trying to free the big fish from the frozen water – even some jokes about the Doctor marrying Marilyn Monroe, in fact, the inspiration of Charles Dickens much plundered ‘A Christmas Carol’ was merely an excuse to throw all of that stuff into a story.

But then we also had all of the rubbish, as if someone had left the giblets inside the Christmas turkey, Amy Pond in her stupid kiss-a-gram police outfit, and Rory in his Roman costume, yawn, both of them serving little purpose to the plot, and the wooden crew on board the spaceship singing Christmas carols as a plot element, cringe, but worst of all the at times illogical plot about the Doctor changing the heart of the main character by changing moments in his past – in that case why not just change the direct factors affecting the situation? – oh, wait, because then there would be no justification for the directors surreal images to get on screen. Its when you can’t get past that sense of the director searching for his excuses, then that’s when your suspension of disbelief in the tale is unable to get swept away, that and the directors insistence that its all magical and we should just let our childhood hearts join in with the fun. Its time Doctor Who stopped hiding behind the excuse that it’s a children’s programme, this is now its safety net and its get-out card. There’s a world of difference between something that’s for children, and something that’s just childish.

Frankly I didn’t care about Mr Scrooge, or Kazran Sardick as he was known in this story, the guy’s a fascist, a control freak in control of the skies, and with the power of life and death over all of the poor pseudo-cockney steampunk people living below the gloomy shark-infested clouds, who cares if the Doctor gave him a heart by getting him to fall in love with the opera-singing-poor-but-beautiful-terminally-ili-lady, one of the many thousands of city dwellers whom his father had frozen in caskets for a profit...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvand...One-review.html

(crikey - post 1000 - how time flies!)

#19030 12/27/10 03:08 PM
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Only watched it this afternoon.

I'm thoroughly sick of crappy childish Christmas episodes.

All integrity and back history & rules are regularly tossed away on a whim or when it suits the current writer.

I think I've finally had enough.Roll on the more grown up Torchwood. frown

#19031 12/27/10 07:48 PM
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I'm sorry I can't see the appeal of Doctor Who. I haven't watched it since the mid 80s. It's a kids' programmes isn't it?

#19032 12/28/10 10:23 PM
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I'm new to Doctor Who, and both me an dmy kids absolutely loved it!!

It was the only bit of TV we schduled to watch, and it didn't disappoint on any level.

Not even the police outfit laugh


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Quote:
Originally posted by Birdsong:
both me and my kids absolutely loved it!!
It was the only bit of TV we scheduled to watch, and it didn't disappoint on any level
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Originally posted by Your Shadow:
I'm sorry I can't see the appeal of Doctor Who. I haven't watched it since the mid 80s. It's a kids' programmes isn't it?
I’m glad that you and the kids enjoyed it Martin, it was a genuine fantasy on the box, and it was also the only bit of TV that I bothered recording. I lent more weight in my original post to criticism of the Christmas Special rather than in enjoying the show for its sheer imagination and clever touches, so nitpicking aside, I can only admire Steven Moffat’s talent for spinning a good yarn, and with his artists mind he produces visual goodies that come straight from the heart of childhood fairytale.

Brian is correct in his post that the template of the show is being bent to say the least though, and it does feel that its at the scriptwriting whim of the Director, with the Doc’ more this time than ever before flaunting the rules that the drama long ago set itself up to follow, altering a characters past life so blatantly is a bit like throwing the guide book out of the Tardis tiny windows.
Andy, when you say in your post that ‘it’s a kids programme’, well if this was back in the days of an older Who series then I’d completely agree without hesitation. As someone who avidly watched the original show from primary school days onwards I remember getting to my late teens and not only losing interest and rejecting it, but feeling cheated by it – a bit like discovering that there’s no Santa Claus. This was when it still had Tom Baker clinging on, someone I’d loved at the start of my teens when he took over the role, but towards the end of his stay I knew full well that the show was locked into a hamster-wheel of infancy, your childhood imagination can often gloss over the lack of things, but when the veil is lifted, it was just, well, rubbish...

When Doctor Who was briefly resurrected in a 90’s one-off TV movie with Paul McGann it showed that it still had the potential to be of interest, but even then the only thing that had managed to mature about Doctor Who was its budget, the show still could not evolve. The Tardis Interior looked good, McGann looked great, and although it professed to be catering for the fans who had long since grown up, the bland plot and unsophisticated drama had escaped straight from the bargain basement of afternoon TV.

But Russell T Davis came along and did something that no-one expected, he found a mythical TV soap-land middle ground, and created a fun show that’s only requirement of the viewer was to be up for watching a very British fantasy tinged with nostalgia. Sometimes there’s been the odd head-shaking ‘what was he thinking’ moment amidst all the fanfare, but farting Slitheen and naff Adipose body-fat Aliens aside, its managed to maintain that great British BBC TV dream, a show that all the family can enjoy together - the young ones hid behind the sofa and willingly hypnotised into seeing ‘being geek’ as ‘being chic’, (it worked for Harry Potter), and the adults sat on the sofa indulging in a bit of shameless light entertainment. Its all the fault of Russ’, he changed a previously maligned slice of yesterday’s childhood and nurtured it into a kind of precocious teenage fantasy, ensnaring us middle-agers into reliving something innately buried within our child psyche and helplessly acknowledging that its miles better than it never was the first time around.

Popular culture is mostly childlike, and that’s how it should be. Take away all the wordy bits, the learned nuances of experience, or the obviously heavier or stereotyped ‘adult’ themes and reduce things down, they immediately take on a simplistic form, and in doing so you often get to a truer form of expression.

During the holidays recently I was visiting a relative, and over their shoulder I watched the last part of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial on TV, with the volume muted. I’m not a Speilberg fan, but I can’t deny the sheer genius of E.T.
As the film flashed through a series of images without any dialogue, the scenes that I somewhat questioned in my mind were all of the so-called logical ones that gave form to the drama, from the unlikely and stylistically filmed scene of space-suited scientists quietly, un-noticeably, and regimentally converging on the house, or the scientists trapped in an isolation tunnel getting dragged behind a fleeing ambulance in a dragged out comedy skit, or the teenagers jumping sand dunes at speed on their BMX bikes while the hidden E.T. is wrapped in a towel and sat upright in a basket on the front of one of those bikes and getting bumped around - why didn’t he fall out, and how could the cops in cars not just catch up with them? What I didn’t question though was any of the real fantasy going on – E.T coming alive again whilst seemingly dead in a freezer, or the bikes all flying through the air up into a golden sky and past a huge moon, and that magical moment at the end when E.T. touches the boy in farewell and reminds him that “he’ll be right here” – it’s pure magic, and its great to be moved emotionally as an adult by such childlike fantasy.

Now, my adult logic regarding Doctor Who’s indifference to the plight of all the other people frozen in caskets, and the time-twisting decision to instead cater for saving just the soul of the Scrooge character has all been put in shadow by the lasting impression of those vivid and enchanting images of the plot - the fish swimming around gaslamp’s in fog, and the Doc’ tumbling from out of the chimney, these are the things that stay with you…

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What do you buy for the kid with everything? or what does the middle-aged adult with too much disposable income and a house crammed full of childhood nostalgia really need to get to add to the collection?

A set of these, in four bright colours and also in white, and a snip at £200 pounds apiece:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/mediamonkeyblog/2011/jan/28/doctor-who-dalek-ride-on-toy

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Jon Pertwee had his yellow Bessie and the silver WhoMobile...

Now - (just for Alex wink ) - Steven Moffat reveals Matt Smiths new WhoBuggy... Twizy:

http://www.renault-ze.com/en-gb/gamme-vo...tion-60210.html

eek

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Did it escape from Tron?!

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