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News on some interesting releases, from Gary Numan's website:

NEW REPLICAS FROM BEGGARS BANQUET
(News date: Dec 2)
On February 25, 2008 Beggars Banquet will be releasing a 2 CD, 27-track, Replicas Redux 2008 Tour Edition featuring, on CD1, the original Replicas album and B-sides, on CD2, the previously released 'out-takes' such as 'We Have A Technical', 'Only A Downstat' etc plus earlier versions of all the tracks that appeared on the original album. These tracks date from sessions recorded at the end of 1978 and early 1979. Beggars Banquet have also put together a special 3 CD Deluxe edition of Replicas Redux which will be exclusive to fans who buy the album through NuWorld. This third CD is a six track EP of early demos plus alternative versions and mixes, including different recordings of 'Are 'Friends' Electric?' and 'Replicas'. It will be housed in a cardboard wallet and will only be available from the NuWorld shop as part of the limited Deluxe edition 3 CD package.


NEW LIVE ALBUM FROM BEGGARS BANQUET
(News date: Dec 2)
Also in February 2008 to celebrate Gary's 30th year as a recording artist - Tubeway Army's first single That's Too Bad came out on Beggars Banquet in Feb 1978 - Beggars Banquet are releasing a recording of Gary's last night on the Touring Principle World Tour. The show took place on 31st May, 1980 in Sydney, Australia and will ONLY be available through NuWorld. The full tracklisting is as follows: Intro, Airlane, Me! I Disconnect From You, Praying To The Aliens, M.E., Films, We Are So Fragile, Are 'Friends' Electric?, Conversation, Remind Me To Smile, Replicas, Remember I Was Vapour, Trois Gymnopedies, Cars, I Die; You Die, Bombers and Tracks.

Hi Alex
Thank you for posting this. Definitely going to try and get the 3 CD set

Peter

Certainly seems worth a listen..

Thanks, Alex!

Sarah

Thanks for the post Alex. I hope February comes around very fast. I really didn't think that there would be anything else that Beggars could unearth to do with Replicas.

great news!

The sydney live cd will only be an officially pressed disc of whats been on the bootleg circuit for years. But the 'Replicas' 2 and 3 disc sets is the main one of these releases.

Come on BB, we know theres more!!

Re Sydney,that's 100% acurate mate,most of us have as good as they will be selling you so who would buy it??,even for the artwork if it's more than a fiver who will bother??

But YES,the 3 disc set will be most desirable(what mistyfies me is BB have been saying for years that there is absolutley NO out-takes from the Replicas era that havent already been released,so were did this stuff surface from,can we now still belive them that all the Pleasure Principle and Telekon stuff has been released? :rolleyes:

I don't have any old Numan bootlegs at all, so the Sydney CD will be most welcome in my collection

Yeah thats it, i played some from the show last night once i heard the news. The sound quality is the best from any numan bootleg you could hear, and better than the 'Dream Corrosion' official double cd.

Further more, on the original performance the band played 'Down In The Park', but by the time a bootleg surfaced.....it was missing. This official release will also NOT include the missing track, so it will be pressed from the bootleg, or the same source as the bootleg.

Great or craizie minds. See my post last night at the Numan site.
There are other demo sessions from 'Principle' and 'Telekon' era's. Theres also a completed remix version of the entire 'Dance' album, thats way passed any demo stage.

Come on BB, we know its out there!!

[Edit] 15:12 Post slightly edited due to a slap on the wrist :rolleyes:

That's right BB; give up the goods.
Don't make me get all shouty now

Slight update. Looks likely that the 'Replicas' set will include both previously released versions of 'We Have A Technical'.

Sold !! When can I place my order?

Does that mean we get the original vocal recording aswell as Gary's re-done vocal version?

Mark

At this stage its likely to include both versions, the real 'Replicas' sessions outake and the re-issued version. The reason being that even just the two disc version will need most (or all) tracks 'from the vaults' to be added.

This is what I want to know too!

Maryann, Garry.

Take a look around, theres an whole NuWorld out there!

Newvox - I've looked there, but it's not in the shop yet, not even to reserve a copy.

Whoops sorry Garry, i thought you and Maryann were not serious about it.
No, there is nowhere even for pre ordering at the moment.

NOT SERIOUS

Played the very clear sounding bootleg of the soon to be released 'Live In Sydney '80' (Engineers) tonight and ive put the official artwork on the iPod too, thanks to nuworld .

Great news and what a fabulous pic of Gary!

I've had a look at NuWorld again today - still can't find any pre-order info Does anyone know different?

Yeah, I have been checking every week or so.
And no, I haven't heard anything myself either.

He doesn't always do pre-orders on his website. I think they'll go on sale closer to the start of the tour.

He mentions in one of the news updates that a new website with new shop will be going online any time now... so maybe then?

I like the new Replicas rare/mixes sleeve :-)

Yes, I do also.

The two-disc version is available for pre-order on Amazon:

Gary Numan Replicas 2008 Tour Edition

Track list for the third disc on the Nuworld exclusive 3disc set is as follows....



Replicas Redux CD3

1. are ‘friends’ electric? (Renegade Soundwave remix)
2. replicas (early version 2)
3. down in the park (early version 2)
4. are ‘friends’ electric? (early version 2)
5. replicas (early version 3)
6. are ‘friends’ electric? (Renegade Soundwave instrumental)

...with Metamatic Special Edition as 'Perfect Partner' ...ooooh the irony !!

It's a shame that the Renegade Soundwave mixes are on the disc. I didn't like their mixes when I heard them years ago, but more importantly the mixes have nothing to do with the original Replicas tracks. So why are they on there?

Sorry for the gripe.

Yeah. I spotted that one, too...

Your not the only one to raise that fact,most fans are unhappy with those two tracks being on the cd but it's not our choice.

It would have been best to keep it to the original sessions. I 'guess' BB thought it would be value for money and make it more collectable. Final decisions go with the majority in the same way that BB opted for 'Engineers' without 'DITP' and 'Metal' even though they were performed that night.

It spoils it for me having the Renegade Soundwave mixes on the disc. I know I have the option of skipping them, which I most certainly will, but it spoils the running order, & the RS mixes don't have that Replicas sound.

It's also annoying that DITP & Metal have been omitted from 'Engineers'. WTF! Why do these record companies give you something with one hand, then take it away with the other? All we want is everything & that is NOT too much to ask for. I'd quite happily pay extra just to have the complete set of Replicas & Engineers without the fannying about.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

As for "Engineers" DITP and Metal(and Engineers itself for that matter) were not on the Original Radio show that this recording comes directly from (or more to the point from the bootleg most of us have)

The only good point about 'Engineeres' missing is that it was not performed at the gig itself, so it could never be on the original broadcast, or subsequent bootleg.

My point was that DITP and Metal were not brodcast by the radio station nor on the boot made from the tapes from the radio station so that leads me to belive that they didnt record those tracks on the night

Am I right in saying that there is no live recording of Engineers ? At least not on the official releases...


Will?

Not as far as I know

I know Will, i was referring to your other point about 'Engineers'. I was agreeing with you that its not on the live album, but at least its not missing for no reason.

Still a silly name to call an album with the actual track not on it

Not given the reason why the other tracks are missing.

I think the title may possibly be an inside joke by the Numan Camp.

Am I on the right tracks, anyone

yeah I agree with that .. kind of 'ironic'.
I always thought he never did Engineers live cos they couldn't get the circus drum roll at the beginning right or something ! Actually it's quite a big 'drum' track isn't it?

Good cover too BTW.

I quoteth from GN myspace :

Cheers D!

Just wonder why they can't give us an advance release date on these two albums

I've never heard the original bootleg that became 'Engineers' - is it really that different set-wise to the 'Living Ornaments '80' album?

If there's one complaint about Numan, it's the amount of Live Albums he puts out - how many official live albums are there? There does seem to be a lot of them, and some of them are (IMHO) rubbish (That would be you 'Ghost', and yes 'The Skin Mechanic' - you as well!)

Yeah, I was wondering when NuWorld was going to address that. As far as I knew it was always just going to be available from NuWorld.

16 Live albums in a 30 year career! That’s a lot of live albums – one every 2 years! He’s having a laugh isn’t he?

1. Living-Ornaments 78 1978
2. Living-Ornaments 79 1979
3. Living-Ornaments 80 1980
4. Engineers 1980
5. Living-Ornaments 81 1981
1982
1983
6. White Noise 1984
1985
1986
7. Ghost 1987
1988
8. Skin Mechanic 1989
1990
1991
9. Dream Corrosion 1992
1993
10. Dark Light 1994
1995
1996
11. Live at Shepherds Bush 1997
1998
1999
12. Scarred 2000
2001
2002
2003
13. Hope Bleeds 2004
14. Fragment 1 2004
15. Fragment 2 2004
2005
16. Jagged Live 2006
2007
2008

..and I remember him saying in 1980 that he was going to give up touring .. HA HA HA!!!

Heh! yeah! I've got that gig on video - 'Micromusic' I think it's called - have you seen it? There's a very strange 'Pans People' moment during Trois Gymnopedies (bound to be on YouTube)

Crikey! I can't believe that I have all these in my collection, except the unreleased Engineers of course which should surely land in my collection sometime in Feb or is it March?.

The Engineers cover sends shivers down my spine as it displays a couple of one of the best synths ever manufactured, which sadly I don't own. I'll stick to my Rolands! :p

Chris

That'll be "Shock" featuring Tik'n'Tok and Barbie Wilde.
Video you requested is HERE

yeah seen that..more Hot Gossip than PP methinks. Anyway well cheesy even late 70s/early 80s standards. What was he thinking of? Mind you he was well pally with Kenny Everett too n'est-ce pas? Sort of figures.

..an interesting insight from today's Independent ....

"I don't really listen to music..." eeek!!

...but he likes Depeche Mode and Nine Inch Nails

Lets just say, its a very Numan (and even Bowie) default answers set.

Just to add to that ever increasing list of official Numan live recordings, he's set to release a DVD of last years revived Teletour...

http://www.numan.co.uk/clouds/news.html

Me : Excellent!!!

Wallet : Nooooooo!!!

It better be in the appropriate format for my viewing

NEW Numan live DVD now available ..

"Cold Warning" - Berserker tour 1984.

read all about it: http://www.numan.co.uk/clouds/news.html

..plus new version of 'Jagged' (double), and Telekon tour DVD coming up...


..make of it what you will...

.....lets not forget the Telekon double cd, Replicas triple cd, Engineers live album, and the album of unreleased tracks from the last three studio albums. The list is beginning to look as long as John's output for '06.

I was really into Berserker and the White Noise live album when they first came out. I also managed to get the brilliant Sharpe and Numan single Change Your Mind. This was really his comeback. Warriors lacked the punch that Berserker had and was very tin-sounding as Numan himself described it.

Ordered Cold Warning last night. Great version of Down in the Park on that show.

Chris
PS Mind you his image on the Berserker album and tour is very reminiscent of:

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=229384

The title track from Wunderbar by Riechmann was played a lot at the Blitz. The album is a synth instrumental album a la JM Jarre and is pure ARP Synthesizer, built on the ARP 2600 (must be the Blue meanie!), the ARP Odyssey and the ARP Sequencer.

There is an interview with Mr Numan in this months Mojo.

Yes.
Unfortunately, the magazine has not made it across the Atlantic yet.

Replicas Redux (3CD limited edition) and Engineers (also a limited edition) are now available at NuStreet at http://numanshop.usp.net/numan/section.cfm?FORMCategoryID=1

Hurry up as they are flying like hot cakes!

Once again limited editions.... :rolleyes:

Chris

At over £17 for the 3cd set from Nuworld (the 3rd exclusive to Nuworld disc has only 4 unreleased tracks with the awefull Renegade Soundwave remixes tagged onto either end)thats nearly a tenner for that disc alone( you can get the 2 cd set from other sites for just over £8)

I'm a little bit peaved!!

Chuck in Engineers and it's a 30 quid treat no sweat!
Phew good job it's nearly my b.day.

Think I'll also just get the 2-Disc of Replicas - can't really see any merit in the 3rd disc.

Engineers - just don't get it all; You get early renditions of 'Praying To The Aliens', 'Remind Me To Smile', 'Replicas', 'Remember I Was Vapour', 'Trois Gymnopedies' and 'I Die:You Die' but no 'Down In The Park?'

I find it hard to believe Numan would play a set without 'Down in the Park'! What's the story with the master tape for this!? Is half of it missing or something?

Good question Beach. Don't really know the answer but I do know it's taken from ABC Sydney Australia's original tape, so perhaps they didn't tape it (?) I'll ask the experts why no 'Park' anyways.

I've had two answers:

1) it was cut from the recording cos the radio show it was only an hour long (idem We Are Glass, Metal)

2) he didnt do it on the night, ..seems improbable ..

He did play DITP and metal, and both were recorded by the radio station.

Tis a bit of a mystery, this one.

..get ready for "Engineers 2: the Missing Sydney Tapes" ... a snip at £25.99 + VAT

Well it aint on the boot of the same gig either(dunno if Engineers was actually cut from the master or just one of the many boots,it is superb for a boot)
So..I won't be buying Engineers simply because I've had a copy for years(why even bother releasing it now after all this time??)
and probably will only buy the 2disc set.

If this was to happen, it would not surprise me

Re - these 'retro' gigs; how far is he going to take it? Is it just the 'Machine Music' period or will we have to sit through 'Machine and Soul' again in 10 years!?

He's done Telekon, he's doing Replicas - will he do Pleasure Principle? Or will he just go and re-do Wembley '81, say he's finished touring and then come back (again) in 2010 with 'Warriors (redux)'?

There is some pressure among the ranks for a Berserker revisit. I kid you not.

I did like Berserker a lot...just not sure jazz-funk slap bass and saxophones have any place in music anymore...unless you're Jamiraqoui!

The thought of hundreds of middle-aged, grown men wandering around the Hammersmith area in Kimono's, blue hair dye and panstick a few years from now is truly disturbing!

The 'Principle' shows are almost for sure.
Maybe 'Warriors', 'Berserker' and even 'The Fury', but the thought is that after that he dont want to keep going down the 'nostalgia road'. The point hes trying to make is that these shows are for older fans, but the present career i.e. 'Pure' 'Jagged' etc is where things really stand now.

The brief thoughts of an accoustic 'Tubeway Army' set, soon went. But i have a 'funny feeling' some TA days will return in some form.

Those days seem unreal now;I sure hope they return.

:rolleyes:

[Edit]Theres a few wishful rumours that some TA songs may appear as an encore for the 'Principle' shows, as its only 13 songs long otherwise. Whats the chance of it being DITP and AFE instead.

Don't you roll your eyes at me

I want to hear Tubeway Army days!
Is that too much to ask for??

Just picked up my copy:

MOJO: 'At that point, Moogs were the antithesis of punk. They were associated with Keith Emerson of ELP noodling away for hours... '

Gary: 'I wasn't into electronic music as I knew it, but doing little three-minute punk songs and you add this stuff to it-that's not pompous, that's a different thing. It wasn't that original: Ultravox had thought of it before me, and done a really good job of it on Systems of Romance. That became the standard I was trying to achieve.'

So do I, Maryann. It would be great if Gary would strip the music back to the bare bones, just guitar, bass, drums & a couple of synths, then crank it up & blast it out LOUD!!!!!!!

I can imagine 'Steel & You' melting my ears with raw gloriousness.

Thats the last track on 'Engineers', and a very powerful version of it too.

For those who cant wait.

Replicas sound clips .

Okay, the demo tracks on the third cd ( not on this double release) are slightly more different than those on cd two. But again there not too different from the finished album.

Well it arrived today, and having now heard it complete, the verious samples around proved right. Not too different from the original. Great re-issue though. *thumbs up*.

Sorry but here's another pic just crying out for a caption .. .(apparently it's been used as a mouse mat, but no matter..)

What a great picture!! What is the date of that one?

I believe it's from the new Replicas re-issue booklet so must be 1978 when recording said opus.

Looks like he's saying "What happens if I press this one? Does it play Cars?"

I think it was nearer feb '79 when the replicas demos were mostly worked on,
but it is indeed from the new booklet.

right '79, sorry.

Tour kicks off tonight in Bristol.

Did anyone get the 'Engineers' CD? If so - any thoughts?

Mine's ordered....

I've posted photos of Gary in action from Sheffield on Saturday, on my MySpace and FaceBook pages...

...though I guess you need to be added as a friend to see them.

I heard talk at the gig that the next (and possibly final) "old album tour" is likely to be either for Tubeway Army or Dance.

Nice pics Alex thanks .. how was it for you?

The artwork looks even better in real life than what some thought to be a disapointing front picture. Theres quite a lot of extra pics included. Sound quality is better than not just the original bootleg but also a 'remastered' booty that been around for about four years. As for the track listing, still miss DITP and Metal not being there, but well worth having in the collection.

I think people may think that because the 'Principle' style lighting has been used now for this 'Replicas' tour. A 'Principle' tour though would now need a totally different design than expected, and so adds to the wait.

It was a good show let down by a crap venue. Apparently, according to "Big G", it was the only one available on that date.

Imagine Replicas played with the power of Pure. The arrangements and most of the synths sounded true to the originals, but the power of them all had been gloriously beefed up. It was also nice to see Gary playing keyboards (or at least pressing a note or two!) on some songs.

I enjoyed it, but IMHO it wasn't half as good as the 2006 Telekon show. Then again I'm slightly biased because I much prefer Telekon over Replicas.

Being the second night of the tour, various arrangement problems were still being ironed out, much to Gary's amusement, and he'll be the first to admit that remembering the lyrics to all these 30 year old tracks is no easy thing - many of which hadn't been played live at all!

The Replicas 'part' of the show lasted just over an hour, before they ran out of Replicas songs. They played all the album tracks and b-sides. For an encore, they played Cars, Every Day I Die and Prayer for the Unborn from Pure.

The light show was cool, but not as impressive as the Telekon panels. There was no spotlight on Gary so he spent most of the show in silhouette.

I Nearly Married A Human and We Have A Technical sounded great.

Unfortunately, the Sheffield Corporation, with it's narrow letterbox-like stage and extremely low ceiling was not the best venue for sound, Gary's vocals sounding muffled at times or drowned out. The Numan sound really benefits from a venue with good acoustics. But, with a new Sheffield Academy due to open soon, I hope he returns and plays there as he's better suited to that kind of place (although for me, the best Numan venue is Nottingham Rock City.

Cheers Newvox!

Gary has been so inundated with orders for Replicas Redux and Engineers that despite getting extra people in to sort the orders out, he's had to temporarily deactivate the NuWorld shop!

I ordered my copy of Engineers last week, so who knows when it will arrive!!

Thanks again Alex. Yes I can well imagine Replicas live being more 'rocky' à la Pure etc. rather than Telekon-y electronic based. (More of Telekon man myself too.)
Nice set list , shame about the venue.

Here are two short video clips I took - they are huge files though, so if anybody knows how to get them down to smaller .mov files, then it would be much appreciated!

Replicas avi
We Have a Technical avi

Thanks Alex for your report on the Replicas tour and sharing the photo's.

I'm looking forward to seeing him at the O2 Arean on the 15th March.

I managed to place my order for the Replicas Redux CD before Nuworld deactivated the online shop only to be warned that it could take up to 30 days for my CD to arrive. I hope the wait is worth it.

Regards

Peter